KNOCK VISION IS SUSPECT FOR LIES TOLD ABOUT THE RAIN AND IT WAS NOT VIEWED PROPERLY


Source: 1879 Depositions of Witnesses of "Apparition" of Mary, Joseph, John and angels on the gable of Knock Chapel.

After the reported two hour apparition, depositions were taken from the witnesses.  There are clues in those statements.  Was it a miracle or paranormal or something more natural?

UNDERLINED TEXT AT FACE VALUE INDICATES THE SUPERNATURAL OR INEXPLICABLE

THE BOLDED TEXT IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF THE MAGIC LANTERN THEORY OR A NON-MIRACLE

THE REST DOESN'T INDICATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER

THERE ARE FAR MORE BOLDED INDICATING THAT THE EVIDENCE FAVOURS A NATURAL INTERPRETATION


WITNESS

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1

Patrick Hill

All the time

Not mentioned

For the space of one hour and a half we were under the pouring rain ... I noticed that the rain did not wet the figures.  The figures staying dry would be expected if they were projections from a magic lantern.

YES

WEEKLY NEWS 1880

When asked if he could touch he strangely does not answer but says instead that an old woman tried to touch the Virgin's feet.  Says he was at a distance.

DAILY TELEGRAPH 1880

YES

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2

Mary McLoughlin

Yes - but does not say it rained all the time

Yes - like little stars.  Was the rain interfering with the light source?

Not clear.  She says the gable had a dry appearance.  A wall can look dry at night when it is lit up.  She was only saying it looked dry not that it was dry.  Even if it was dry, that may not have been a miracle in her view for she didn't say it rained all the time.

"I was outside the ditch and to the south-west of the schoolhouse near the road."

NO - she stayed at the ditch

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3

Mary Beirne

All the time

Yes - like little stars

WEEKLY NEWS 1880

1932 Testimony - not under oath

Yes

1935 testimony to Liam Ua Cadhain

1936 deathbed sworn statement for Commission

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4

Patrick Walsh

Yes - but does not say it rained all the time

NO

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5

Patrick Beirne

1932 Testimony

1936 Sworn statement

Heavy drizzle

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6

Maggie Beirne

Yes - but does not say it rained all the time but only at the time she went to see the vision

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7

Dominick Beirne

Says the eyes of the images could be seen so YES

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8

Mrs Flatley

NO

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9

Bridget Trench

Yes

Yes - the wind blew the rain in the direction of the gable but the gable remained dry as did the ground underneath the vision. Another miracle is how if the gable and the ground were really dry, why some visionaries didn't stand against it to get shelter from the rain! Also why did people stand at the south gable of the school house to get all the rain and wind?

YES

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10

Catherine Murray

WEEKLY NEWS 1880

 

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11

John Curry

NO - he said he went on the wall near the Church to see them.  No mention of Hill's claim that he took him up closer.  The priest wrote down the testimony and so it is really hearsay about what the child said.  It does not suffice as evidence.  Nevertheless, when the priest didn't write that Curry had a close up view, its probable that he didn't have.  A child could not resist saying he saw the vision close if he really did.

1937 New York Tribunal

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12

Judith Campbell

Yes - but does not say it rained all the time

Says the place where the images appeared was "quite dry".  So she must have thought it was just damp.

YES

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13

Margaret Beirne 2

Yes

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14

Dominick Beirne Sen

Says it rained at the time he arrived at the scene but does not say it rained all the time

Gable not mentioned and only says the images were dry, if the images were made of light this would be what you would expect

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John Durkan