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JESUS BRUTALLY INTIMIDATES A WOMAN ACCUSED OF ADULTERY
In John 8, there is a tale which is considered to be an insertion by many and
thus unscriptural that Jesus had to deal with an adulteress. A mob brought him
to her saying she was found committing adultery and Moses commanded stoning. He
wrote on the ground and then said that if they had no sin they could stone her.
They were trying to get him to contradict the Law, the word of God, and thus
show he was not a loyal Jew. He affirmed the law by saying its holy if you have
no sin if you stone. This was a terrible thing for her to hear. They walked away
probably waiting for another chance to get her. She tells Jesus there is nobody
there to condemn her and he says he will not condemn her. He could not stone her
on his own anyway. That was not allowed. He told her not to commit the sin in
future and she walks off stigmatised and in danger. Jesus was setting things up
for her to maybe be stoned in the future.
Scholars admit that Jesus failed to distance himself from the savage law of God
that a woman guilty of adultery should be stoned. The law also requires three
witnesses. Jesus never pointed that out. The story does not mention witnesses.
It says, "She was caught in the act", but that sounds like hearsay. The
witnesses needed to be mentioned so their omission means they didn't exist.
Jesus could have walked away. He left her feeling he would sanction stoning and
telling the others to stone if they had no sin must have made her terrified. He
did not make sure she was escorted away but told her she was an adulteress thus
leaving her stigmatised and under threat of being stoned later on. He did not
ask her to go to the judge with him to make sure that she could get mercy. She
was owed it as the attempt to liquidate her failed. He did not even forgive her
or say he did. And surely his being on his own with her with her reputation was
going to get him in trouble? He did not really think she was guilty.
We are told by bleeding heart semi-Christians, “Jesus proved that God had
revoked the capital laws of the Torah when he saved the adulteress from being
stoned to death by a group of Jews though these laws required it - see John 8.
When Jesus saved her it shows he revoked the death penalty in spite of the Law.
He implied that the Law was evil for allowing sinners to kill sinners”.
Christian books like When Critics Ask say that the passage does not support the
proposal that Jesus was against capital punishment (page 415).
This is correct.
The reasons are as follows.
Jesus implies that the woman should be stoned when he said that if the accusers
were not guilty of sin they could stone her for she was guilty. The Christians
have to hold that he meant this for he could not deceive. Even if she had merely
wanted to commit adultery but didn’t carry it out physically he would have said
the same.
Some say that the Jews could not execute under Jewish law but under Roman law
for the latter was the law of the land. The Jews who sought to slay the woman
did not obey the Law of Moses which demanded that both the guilty parties be
brought before the people for trial and execution if guilty. Jesus would not
have approved of the execution when it was planned only to trap him which does
not mean he would oppose her being executed under any other different
circumstances.
The Jews were wandering through different territories and different legal
jurisdictions for they were a wandering people at the time God made the law of
executing killers, homosexuals, adulterers and witches. This means the Law of
killing has to be obeyed no matter what the jurisdictions think. The man who
sinned with the woman might have been already dealt with or was to be dealt with
later so the Law that both of them had to be brought before the people was
obeyed – there is no reason to believe the Law would care if it were done at the
one time or not. It is true that the people who brought the woman to Jesus had a
bad motive but the gospel does not tell us that it was their only motive or
their main one. We read that they planned to trap him. Since nothing is said in
the passage about Roman law and the Jewish law is mentioned they were hoping to
get Jesus to break the Law of Moses by demanding that she be spared. But what
Jesus does is make them see that they are as bad as her and deserve to die as
well and they go away and he tells the woman he does not condemn her to death
for there is nobody to condemn her. Jesus refused to condemn the capital
punishment laws. Though he delighted in offending the Jews and their traditions
he didn’t dare because he wanted them to stay in force.
It is certain from reading the passage that Jesus believed that she deserved to
be put to death and that the Law of Moses was right to demand the destruction of
adulterers (page 373, Encyclopaedia of Bible Difficulties; page 124, The Enigma
of Evil). Jesus could not abrogate a death penalty when his religious system
said that the reason we can die and will die though it be by execution, murder
or naturally is that God and himself has sentenced us to death for our sins
(page 125, The Enigma of Evil).
Jesus could have cancelled the death penalty for the woman would not have had a
fair trial because the accusers were big sinners or adulterers themselves. He
was ready to air their dirty linen which was why they walked away one by one.
That was why he would not let the men judge her and stone her. There is no hint
that Jesus was postponing her trial for he could not do that. He told her he
would not condemn her but did she get off? He meant he would not stone her to
death and says nothing to stop her being judged properly and stoned at a later
date. He only let her go on her way. He only said he didn’t condemn her. He
could have been leaving it up to the judges if they wanted to judge her legally
and destroy her. He said nothing that indicated he forbade this.
The accusers broke the Law by accusing a woman without having her partner in sin
there to bear witness against her. And they had no proof that one of the pair
were married and did not take her to the elders for trial first so Jesus could
not have let them stone her anyway though Jesus agreed that she should be. Since
the man could not be punished with her Jesus would have had to let her go though
he knew she was guilty for it could not be proved. The Christian book, The
Enigma of Evil, tells us that Jesus had to save the woman for her execution
would not have been in accordance with the Law of Moses but would have been a
lynching by its standards (page 124). So his saving her does not mean he wanted
the Jewish law repealed.
Also, the Jews were not permitted by Rome to kill unless they got the go-ahead
from its representatives so Jesus would have had to forbid her execution but
only at that particular time.
Perhaps Jesus knew the woman was not in her right mind or drunk when he told her
he did not condemn her. She was guilty of adultery but not guilty enough to
merit the death penalty. This would stop anybody appealing to the episode to
prove that Jesus banned stoning adulterers to death.
The explanation I prefer is that Jesus was not having people who were deserving
of stoning themselves stone this woman to death and that it would have been
right to see her killed if the right people were doing it. He permitted those
who had less sins than her to kill her with stones and he meant it for he said
so. He was stating that despite the Roman law that forbade the Jews to kill
without permission they should do it. He made it a duty for the Christians to
kill homosexuals and prostitutes and adulterers in defiance of the state. He
believed that the Law of Moses was for all.
Jesus was not saying the Law was wrong for he did indicate that it was right to
stone her in the right circumstances. Martin Luther believed the Christian
religion required the execution of adulterers and adulteresses (page 391, Martin
Luther).
Jews when able to, put adulterous people to death. What about Jesus telling the
Jews to judge men or women who remarried after divorce as guilty of adultery? He
said that to Jewish leaders who were also lawyers meaning he was virtually
telling them to execute the divorced and remarried and not just cheaters.
We must not forget that Jesus was serious when he said that he who has no sin
must cast the first stone. He didn’t say it was wrong to even want to cast the
stone. This was not about it being wrong to stone her but about the hypocrisy of
those who wanted to stone her. If there had been a person there who didn’t
deserve death then Jesus would have told him to cast the first stone. He told us
that. Why didn’t he cast it himself? Because he couldn’t. He had to opt out
because his job as teacher from Heaven came first.
The story was not in the original gospel. The best manuscripts don’t have it.
And though it is put in John 8 nobody knows where it belongs (some ancients
thrust it in at the end of Luke) which is certainly due to the fact that it does
not belong in the New Testament at all. The doctrine that it is inspired and is
a part of the Bible is just a Catholic dogma proclaimed by the infallible
Council of Trent. There is no evidence for any of this so Trent was guilty of
fraud for it said that the Church could not make a dogma binding and infallibly
proclaim it true without conclusive evidence. The story is in the King James
Bible suggesting that Protestants accept it as canonical.
“The evidences of the earlier manuscripts of the Gospel of John suggest that
this particular passage was not included by John himself in the original text of
his gospel.
The earliest surviving witness to this episode seems to be the sixth-century
Codex Bezae” (Encyclopaedia of Bible Difficulties, page 371).
But, still, the passage could be true and it is certainly a testimony from early
tradition that Jesus was pro-murder. He told an adulteress she should be stoned
but only by people who didn't deserve to be stoned themselves! In other words,
believing in or being fine with stoning people is not a moral flaw! Actually it
is not a flaw but a heinous outrage.
Even if God does not want us to kill homosexuals and adulterers he cannot
condemn us harshly for doing it if they deserve it. It would be no worse than
the sins we commit every day that defy him. We all know that if you attack
person X without good reason and X attacks you back that X is not stooping down
to your level (if free will exists that is and if the concept of deserving is
true!) for you asked for it and X did not. To have X told off and perhaps
punished while you get away would be sick indeed for you are more bad than he
is.
NOTES: The story is thought to have been invented out of the apocryphal story of
Susanna where Daniel saves her from being stoned to death. Like the Jesus
version, the Jews do not keep to the legal procedure and lose any right to stone
her. It seems the story appeared late and originally belonged to the Gospel of
the Hebrews. Eusebius seems to have thought that. The Gospel of the Hebrews
endorsed Jewish Christianity and thus having a Jesus who abolished the stoning
penalty would have been inconceivable. This context verifies our interpretation.
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